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Cars We Drive!

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, look out.

    Unfortunately German car maintenance is out of control expensive. Especially in the M and AMG class.
     
  2. Dino944

    Dino944 Well-Known Member

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    From what I read years ago, one study showed the basic MB SL500 was among the most expensive luxury cars to own in terms of service and maintenance...so I'd imagine hyper cars from AMG would be even far more costly to own. In the end, as long as he recognizes he is buying a car that was probably $150K+, and not an $80K and that parts and service will be commensurate with something in the $150K+ range then hopefully he will be prepared to pay for parts/service that go with something in that range. As the saying goes, you have to pay to play.

    It seems AMG cars often become deferred maintenance cars because people buy older ones for $30-40K and then they can't afford to maintain them. Young guys buy them forgetting that the car wasn't $30-40K when new, so the parts and service won't be the same as for a basic C class, especially since some of these older AMG cars were $150K when new.
     
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  3. GreenFrog

    GreenFrog Well-Known Member

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    goddamn do i miss driving and rowing dat gears [​IMG]
     
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  4. HRoi

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  5. yorkshire pud

    yorkshire pud Well-Known Member

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    I see your point, but.........,,,,,,,,

    1. It's kind of a different brand AMG successful in the premier category of motorsport (win on Sunday-sell on Monday)

    2. There must be like a billion Merc taxis across Europe not to mention another zillion vans and trucks, yet still we see it as a luxury brand and not a purveyor of working vehicles.

    3. The "Smartest" thing they ever did was calling the Smart cars Smart, because had they called them mini merc or something that would have cheapened/devalued the brand

    I think they are actually pretty good at this stuff :)
     
  6. yorkshire pud

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    Yep, we are seeing it already, young drug dealer wannabe gangsters in older super saloons with worn out brakes and tyres :(
     
  7. SirReveller

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    What's wrong with that?

    Granted they can't afford the best of the sinister Merc classics but at least they're making an effort to fit their whip to their vibe.
    [​IMG]

    Put another way, a more laudable choice than a lowered stock Integra with a wing spoiler and a beer can muffler.
     
  8. yorkshire pud

    yorkshire pud Well-Known Member

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    I don't have an issue with drug dealers driving high powered cars with no brakes and bald tyres.

    The faster they die or go to prison the better :)

    I'm more concerned for the pedestrians and other road users that get tangled up in the accidents :(

    What I don't get why do gun toting coke dealing morons always choose a car that says...


    "Look at me I'm a drug dealer" :)
     
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  9. Thrift Vader

    Thrift Vader Well-Known Member

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    Here in Japanland, anyone who still wears Ed Hardy stuff is looking to buy an AMG or a Brabus. for 10k. there are plenty around. all blinged out.

    BTW, had an old lady in a Fwd car slide into my car yesterday. [​IMG] now searching for a Bumper..............

    rolled into a buddies shop today. with a smashed fog light, and torn up front bumper.
    [​IMG]
    rad support and bumper support need attention. a few mm.. still a sad moment for a car guy.

    This friend is not the best painter i know. but he has been kind. he has been a good friend. so now i bring him the only job that is out of my hands. i can't do this one. it has to be on paper. you guys don't know. (or maybe you do) friends in the car community are so good you will bring them the official jobs. it's like a nod and a handshake. i have poured my soul into this car. and i am putting it in his hands. he CAN paint good.though his shop is not ideal.he know friendship is why he got this job. nobody touches my car. but this is the guy i bought it from. he knows just how far it has come.
    this is the guy i offered to team up with.

    to some, it may be a bumper. to me? it is other hands on my car. as one of Japan's top 100 mechanics, i have to pass it on. it hurts. @paperwork.
    the plus side is he will let me choose the bumper and the paint. even let me sand it down. as long as he lays the paint.
     
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  10. idfnl

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    I guess drug dealers aside, the more disappointing thing for us non-gangsters is why these good quality machines can't maintain a life beyond a lease cycle and a 2nd owner that gives up after several years when substantial services are required.

    How does it make sense when you pay $100k for a car that becomes un-maintainable in 6 years, but fundamentally the car is in excellent condition and will run many, many more miles?
     
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  11. Dino944

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    The AMG 560/500 SEC was a serious "Miami Vice"- badass car when I was a kid. Although they were an aftermarket tuner back then, in someways AMG seemed cooler and more special before being absorbed by MB.

    +1
    Best guess...a few too many young guys who have recently seen Scarface and Miami Vice.

    Ouch !!! Sorry to hear that...it really sucks when someone damages your baby. Hoping all is resolved and repaired to your liking soon.
     
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  12. yorkshire pud

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    This is the only point in life where it becomes socially OK to have worked your entire adult life as any kind of vehicle technician :)

    It's kind of like a retirement bonus, you can take a chance on something crazy and tinker with it in your own time until it's a great car again.

    Maybe not worth a fortune, but unobtainable to people without a techs passion for cars :)
     
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  13. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. If you don't, forget it. It's a real shame that all these great quality cars aren't even driven to their half-life.
     
  14. Thrift Vader

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    Here's a question for you @Pud.

    What is going to be your retirement tinkering Car?

    I think mine will be a Subaru SVX.


    @Idfnl. If a car can not easily live past its warranty period. It might be well optioned but it is poor quality.

    Thanks Dino. Should be sorted soon. We will also split the wife's broken legacy for parts. I get the alternator, power steering pump, a/c compressor, and other bits. He gets the panels, lights and interior. :satisfied:
     
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  15. idfnl

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    You're missing the point. The car can easily go 20 years past its warranty point, but economic forces such as depreciation and service/parts costs make the car unsustainable to maintain. Not many people are willing to fork over $8k in service for a car that's worth 20k and used to cost 100k. And know that in a year they'll have to do the same.

    In a sense this is planned obsolescence. If manufacturers were interested in keeping these cars going, they'd depreciate part prices over time. But they rake you over the coals every time you need the simplest thing, and eventually you throw in the towel.

    After having owned a luxury car, I can say unequivocally that the quality, ride, and just about everything is better, but sadly they make it so I don't believe I'll ever do it again. I had a car with 200k that ran beautifully, and would have easily made 500k or even more, but faced with insane long term maintenance costs I had to give up and got a new car. Now I'm an SUV cuck. Fuck it though, my first oil change was $52, where as before I was paying $160.
     
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  16. bawlin

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    What would life with an F430 be like? Can you just get in and drive without worrying that something will break? Seems as though prices for them are levelling off and they seem like a ton of car for the money.
     
  17. yorkshire pud

    yorkshire pud Well-Known Member

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    There are a few cars for me that I would like to restore in my twilight years.

    Jowett Javelin (built in my home town)
    VW Golf GTI (probably a mk1)
    Ford Escort RS Cosworth
    My version of a Porsche 911

    Realistically I will probably only get to choose one car :(
     
  18. yorkshire pud

    yorkshire pud Well-Known Member

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    The engine probably has to come out every 4 or 5 years to service the timing gear and adjust the valve clearances, then you have to deal with the F1 gearbox and the brakes discs are around $5000 a set if has ceramics.

    Nice car, but the 355 is better :)
     
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  19. gomestar

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    yeah, the 355 has a stellar "easy to maintain" record.
     

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